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Alright, alright, settle down. While this isn't crazy serious, it's still an update worth note!

Throughout history, art and artists have challenged preconceived notions, pushed boundaries and taken on subjects often considered taboo. Art is alive and constantly changing, much like the community at deviantART is. The CEA Team believes that deviantART policy must grow, adapt and change, to allow artists to push boundaries and express themselves whenever legally and morally possible. Policy must remain flexible in order for something, which was initially ruled as an absolute, to bend and change in order to allow for artists and quality to shine through.

Lesbians 101 - Lesson 3 by FindChaos

One example of this kind of challenge to policy is with FindChaos's Lesbians 101 series-- a quirky and often humorous guide on lesbianism. Unfortunately, one installment of this guide depicted sex toys, which was removed in accordance with our FAQs prohibiting pornographic imagery. This issue prompted a discussion among staff and our legal adviser regarding our policies and FAQs. Are items like sex toys to be considered inherently and inescapably pornographic, or, as in the case of Lesbians 101, could members express themselves artistically and responsibly despite the content?

The CEA team held a series of meetings about the FAQ that details the prohibitions made in regards to the depiction of sex toys, and after some careful discussion (and using lesbians 101 as an example) we came to the decision that deviations such as these should have a place within the deviantART community. Naturally, we needed to update our FAQ to reflect this. We have spent the week working on the language of the FAQ, and the changes are live!  Here's a link for you to see:

FAQ #565: You prohibit the submission of 'pornographic imagery'; what do you consider this to be?

So what has changed? And what does this realistic depiction mean?

What has changed is that sex toys can now be depicted in deviations (given certain conditions). As for "Realistic", this refers primarily to shape, so a realistic shape and unrealistic candy coloring would still lead to removal. By contrast, a review of the sex toys in Lesbians 101 would not fall under realistic depiction as they have spines, beads, and rabbits protruding from them. We still maintain that sex toys cannot be depicted in use as per the FAQ.

Please also note that context comes into play here. Realistic depictions of sex toys are normally removed, but the educational context of the work such as those used in Lesbians 101 and the clinical treatment of the subject means that this submission is fine with a mature tag- that will not necessarily be the case for other deviations. Because each submission is judged based upon the content, context, and merit of that specific deviation. If there are any doubts on the part of the artist for any reason, they are always free to submit their questions to the +help Desk, through Policy Inquiries, and we'll be more than happy to help!

We understand that a change to such a specific part of this FAQ may be surprising--there may even be be a lot of attention drawn to this deviation, and it will definitely be a mix of negative and positive--but we really believe that this approach will garner the greatest understanding from the community.
Sextoy05 by kozispoon
Thank you to ~FindChaos for her patience and for allowing us to feature her deviation for the sake of this discussion. Be sure to check it out!

It's incredibly exciting when a piece of artwork sparks a discussion amongst our team, and we hope to continually grow and change while still maintaining a safe, artistic environment!            
An update to our FAQs!
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:iconfivelmousekewitz:
I shouldn't be the last to inform everyone that DeviantArt's regulations against sexually explicit material is grade A BOLLOCKS. What they call, “tasteful nudity" is biased bullshit. It should all be the same, whether it's any medium depicting nudity or drawing of a sex toy to explain lesbianism
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AkaiChounokoe Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Um, shy deviant here, after reading this for few times, I thought I give some input on the matter. Yes, I am aware that there is a bit of a rule change involving, um, well, :blush:, sex toys, but I think what got some of the controversy (going by the comments on the matter) is the fact that the exceptions in relation to these should have been placed in the rules from the start and the comic's purpose was to educate and I detected nothing explicit. On that note, some of the rules here are a bit contradictory, another reason for this controversy is because of that. I mean many deviants often report  beyond offensive (to put it nicely) deviations but they usually go unanswered, especially when said deviations have a mature tag on it, allowing it to be effectively abused and, yet, when someone posts something that is or relatively benign (like this comic) it is removed no sooner than it is posted. 
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Miss-Ag Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My ONLY complaint with NSFW material on DA is seeing poorly done nude pictures. i am REALLY NOT OK with random men posting very poor excuses for "photography". Just because you have a picture of a hoo-haa does NOT make it artistic!!!
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Miss-Ag Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I guess im just talking about standards, but that would really restrict people, of course....
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:iconthe-golden-knight:
The-Golden-Knight Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2013
Just about anything can have artistic merit, believe it or not. It's just so hard for many to see that even fully uncensored and unblocked sexual penetration can be performed beautifully (ala NC-17 or X-rated films).
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cinnabutt Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I understand why erect penises are not allowed, but why is this type of imagery allowed?
[link]
Erect penises suggest sexual arousal, but what stops deviants from posting something so lewd to
a site based on art and photography, not p**sy shots?
Maybe the photographer considers it art, but shouldn't there be some sort of line?
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2013  Student General Artist
There is indeed. Such lines can be read and reviewed via the handy dandy help & FAQs :nod:
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:iconpurplealienflower:
PurpleAlienFlower Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I fully agree with you. There is a SHITLOAD (sorry!) of images from exhibitionists on this site. Really, it is annoying when browsing the photgraphy or even the stock section.

I don't like the idea of calling someones work "bad", but this I do not consider ART nor WORK/effort. Really. There are many, many beautiful pictures out there, showing classy and high quality nude art- and even more explizit content aswell!- but THIS is purely crap. Well, regarding this certain image posted here... it's somewhat acceptable I think, at least the fish net cloth makes an interesting effect here, so the b/w lighting does. There are worse images on this site, but we all get the idea.

If somebody really wants his or her private parts in this manner, they should use websites like imagefap or something. DeviantART is not the right place for this kind of stuff I think and I know for fact many, many people will agree here.
You see, I'm not against nudity. At all. My own gallery and my favourites prove this. I also have nothing against pornography. But this has nothing to do with tasteful, classy art. Just look at the "more like this" -section. It shows me a TON of anusses, shot in a bad quality. Really, I'm not into buttholes. Not into pussy lips resembly dried aquatic plants neither! I really don't want to see unartistic stuff like this.
Also, I suspect not only most of them are just purely exhibists without any artistic desire, also they willingly take the risk children could see those images here. I don't know, I don'T feel comfortable with that idea... Not that I want to accuse anybody with anything, but, you know...


But, back to the topic: Thanks, dAStaff, this was a long overdue thing.
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:iconcreativekat3:
creativekat3 Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
oohhhhh, the accidently clicking of something when you were trying to find something else... anyways, I have no idea why I'm still here since I know that for me I'd NEVER even think of posting that stuff anyways, but can I request that anything containing any mention of such related things be posted under mature content settings because I know kids are on here and people like me who don't really want to accidently see that stuff ( no matter how mild ) at any time.
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Nudimmud Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Relevant [link]
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:icondania-audax:
Dania-Audax Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
lol.
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mazoneko Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
what an interesting topic *-*

...with even more interesting comments :icondummywooplz:
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MasterInsanity Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2013  Professional Writer
Hi :hi:

Does this strictly apply to human penii shaped dildoes or all realistic penii? Cause the FAQ isn't very clear about the matter.
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013  Student General Artist
I'm glad you asked! :la:

The FAQ makes a point of stating the following: Adult oriented (sexual) toys.
"Adult toys" consisting of dildos, strap-ons, vibrators, and similar items which are crafted to realistically represent a phallus or "receptive" vagina are not allowed." which would indicate genitals of ANY species.

Hope that helps!
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:iconmasterinsanity:
MasterInsanity Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013  Professional Writer
Thanks for clearing that up :la:
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:iconravenesta:
ravenesta Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I came for the title. I stayed for the... utter WTF-ery of what the title was talking about.
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:iconrmxtrailmix:
RMXTrailMix Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013
Exempting those who are popular I see.

Double standard anybody? Why do I get the impression that if the characters were male, Deviantart's staff would not only remove the deviations in question, but also ban/suspend the user permanently.
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Yowza. I didn't know we were so strict to people who aren't popular! What a incongruous and abstract concept. :o
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:iconcelia94:
Celia94 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You are more than that.
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:iconcoldethyl13:
ColdEthyl13 Featured By Owner May 27, 2013  Student Photographer
I understand the educational side, and for the most part I completely agree with the rules. However, I'm disappointed in the fact that 'serious' art cannot contain a sex toy. For example, one of my latest pieces of photography features a glass art phallus that is used to symbolise ones hidden masculinity (and the object/notion coming into full view in the next photograph). I really wish that I could upload it onto this site because it IS art (note- WITH clothing on, as opposed to other types of 'art'). However, I realise that if the site allows these types of props on the site, people will use that loophole to post even worse porn on this website.

That said, to fully clear up the problem, we need to remove all nudity from the site; not only will that stop the pornography/ 'art' (', but I'm nude for no reason'), but it will also take away a lot of real artist's work...
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hyenacub Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist
This has got to be one of the strangest journals I've ever seen. :XD:
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Totally agreed! :lol:
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hyenacub Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist
:XD:
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:iconkairu-hakubi:
Kairu-Hakubi Featured By Owner May 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Someday we'll realize that people who find it POSSIBLE to enact rules on others like this are inherently psychopathic and need to be targeted for removal from humanity.
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Student General Artist
Yowza, things people do on an art community website make or break whether they can live and operate in real life (where such online pursuits essentially don't matter)? Fascinating.
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:iconkairu-hakubi:
Kairu-Hakubi Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
If you think that, why in god's name are you an administrator on an art website?
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Student General Artist
I must've missed the fine print where it stated the actions we're trained to take here could mean our removal from real life society.
I'm so bad at reading the fine print... :iconmiseryplz:
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:iconkairu-hakubi:
Kairu-Hakubi Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Might have a reading comprehension problem in general because I have no idea what you're referring to but it certainly wasn't something I insinuated.
but in the interest of agreeing on things, I suck at reading fine print too. I think that's why it's used
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Shibuya4lone Featured By Owner May 17, 2013
may be some explicit art, should be censored
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Student General Artist
May be indeed!
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:iconshibuya4lone:
Shibuya4lone Featured By Owner May 20, 2013
i see
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:iconfehnryr:
Fehnryr Featured By Owner May 9, 2013
...So if I draw a dildo it's fine, but if I draw a neon green dildo, it gets removed?

You guys might want to go back to the drawing board...
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Peccantis Featured By Owner May 12, 2013   General Artist
No no, a realistic shaped dildo (closely imitating actual anatomical parts of the specific actual anatomy part) is not ok regardless of its colour. Is how I understood the rulings here.
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Student General Artist
Correct. Come, frolic with me in the fields of clarity and understanding. :icononiskiplz:
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:iconpeccantis:
Peccantis Featured By Owner May 20, 2013   General Artist
:iconoppaplz:
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:iconfancycomicsreborn:
FancyComicsReborn Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013  Student Photographer
You may be a staff and all, but you should really take the time to look through that ACTUALLY don't belong here. Hey, just like iFunny, this ain't a porno site. Some stuff I (accidentally) find makes me go into WTF made.

I will not start pointing fingers. That just ain't cool.
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Student General Artist
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:iconbungy32:
Bungy32 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I am new to DA and learning the ropes. I just went back through my gallery and deleted deviations that don't conform with these rules. I grumbled a bit. Gone is a cartoon robot holding his hard phallus. It's hard because he's made of metal -- but "touching genitals" and "erect" make it a violation. The fact that it is smooth and shaped more like a missile than an anatomically correct penis might have made a difference, but who can say? I also removed a cartoon of two robots having butt sex, using motor oil as (what else?) lubrication. It seemed to violate the penetration and fluids rule. It wasn't just porn; I like the way this series raises interesting conundrums about the posthuman condition. But you know, we play by the rules of our hosts...

The good news in this post is that the moderators have moderated their policy in the wake of broadening their understanding of how their policy disproportionately affects a minority group. I deeply appreciate that our hosts are addressable on these issues and willing to adjust.

But I have to admit: as a queer artist interested in art that is not only aesthetically pleasing but also witty and a little disturbing, I draw heavily from an explicitly homoerotic palette. And rules are often just challenges in disguise. Can I contribute work that conforms to the rules but defies their spirit? You betcha! Will I? Oh yeah, quite probably.

Because at the end of the day, that's what artists do -- push at boundaries, challenge the rules. Those boundaries aren't always about sex -- sometimes they are about skill level or politics or taboos or... But if we deny art's ability to change our views about what is allowable and what is not in our myriad, overlapping cultures, then we curtail much of the value and purpose of art in the first place.
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SemperSalsius Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very well said.
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:iconbungy32:
Bungy32 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thx. I've "moved on," so to speak. I still chafe a bit at what I can't post here. But, you know, there's ointment for that. ;-)
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SemperSalsius Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Haha! :D
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NeveGraceIrvine2004 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Look at this account and help this person affected by a person who used these toys :icontwisterthetornado: <<< CLICK/TAP
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ScorpioGreen Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The phallus has been featured in art for ages....Pompeii , Greece , & now moden art. If something happens to this earth and we are all gone, they will find our brightly colored ribbed for our pleasure rubber toys stuck in our bedside table. I think DA did a great job in finding a happy medium. All this talk of phallus... im grabbing my sketch book!
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kozispoon Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Student General Artist
:icongeorgetakaiplz:
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Althazaire Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013
If you ban sex toy imagery, then you must ban genitalia imagery of any kind - fucking derr. neither is inherently sexual until depicted in sexual use. You guys must be stupid because there seems to be little rational debate to be had about this.
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2013  Student General Artist
We aren't banning sex toy imagery. Give the article another read :)
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:iconmewmew34:
Mewmew34 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
I find it funny that the comic was originally removed for "pornography" yet more than once I've seen images receive a Daily Deviation that are little else but pornography. We can't age up an animated character for tasteful adult situations, but women are allowed to flash real life vagina all they want.
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:iconkozispoon:
kozispoon Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Student General Artist
Pornography is never submitted by staff as a DD, but please note the mere depiction of genitals does not immediately conform to the definition of pornography that we have in place. If you have differing views on what you consider pornography that's all well and good, but if that's the case then this is a whole different conversation.
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MrSpeedyPanda Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2013
Lol god that little comic strip at the top made me lol so hard.
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